If you are Muslim, lower caste or marginalized — say, a migrant worker from Bihar — then inclusion for you in urban India is almost zero. No therapy can heal you unless the people of urban India start acknowledging your existence as a human being instead of treating you like a cockroach. You need to be born into the right home in your next life, if it exists, before thinking about healing. Therapy can help you regain basic cognitive functionalities, but you'll never feel that human-like innocence again. Most people on the internet are lying to you about healing, so be mindful before setting your expectations fromhashtag#psychologybased therapy. PS A few Indian mental health groups blocked me for speaking about caste and communal issues and their impact on people's mental health. Most of them reject the idea of "caste and communal trauma" despite the injustice we witness in the news every day. My humble request is simple: Please write in huge block letters "THERAPY SERVICES NOT AVAILABLE FOR LOWER-CASTE, MUSLIMS AND OTHER MARGINALISED SECTION OF SOCIETY" PPS: People say they never saw caste and religion based hatred with their eyes so it doesn't exist, it's equivalent to saying I never saw Zebra so it doesn't exist. Anecdotal Evidence is not the fact or truth.
Yash Pratapyou serious? therapists have removed u for bringing this up?! I'm not that shocked tho. psychology originated in the west and isn't developed enough to deal with specific south asian issues and non western problems. when you bring these topics up, what therapists hear is, "i have a problem you can't solve despite your degree" and while some might want to learn more, im sure it's a hard pill to swallow for most. and you're right, thanks for bringing this up!
Joyotri N.yes, people are uncomfortable with me bringing up these issues and I also bring up the issue of how therapy evolved out of realism literature but they're not interested in it either. They kept dodging, I want to call people out but I don't think it's worth it because they're the majority so whatever group I mentioned, you'll find them whitewashing the historical injustice.
The problem exists at the level of the subject itself, which can't be solved by VC funding. Psychotherapy mostly evolved from realism literature, such as Dostoevsky, by Western psychologists like Carl Jung. For Indian therapy, we need to base it on Indian realism literature, such as Premchand. This makes therapy mostly limited to urban Indians educated in convent or elite schools, because only they have partially experienced that kind of Western cultural context, and not everyone possesses the ability to see beyond words and recognize the similarities between East and West, especially when they are traumatized.
Pratik Shelkeyou haven't read the post properly, a migrant worker from Bihar is not only a labourer, he/she can be middle class also but inclusion is almost 0 .. I'm also talking about lower caste and dalit and aadivasi living in the same cities. People discriminate against them.
Cancer treatment is not also affordable but Government provides the solutions for poor people also. So, it's not out of reach if Government wish but before that Indian academia has to solve the problem at research level. There are solutions created by Miguel Sabido but we need to refine them more according to Indian demography. We can't keep relying on generalized solutions fromUnited NationsandYale Universityand other Ivy League school as research partners.
Inclusion in urban India is 0 only for POOR people, I dont think it plays any role related to caste or community! Any caste or creed, if they are poor, they arent considered inclusive. It doesnt matter if you are a Bihari or a Muslim or from lower caste or higher caste.
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Krupa Bharadwajthe more important point left unsaid is that urban India is inclusive in the sense it procures goods and services from anyone regards of caste, religion or creed. It does in one sense provide equal opportunities to capable people.
Krupa Bharadwajif I apply the same logic, women with money are free they can roam in the night in muzaffarnagar. Write a post against people doing Islamophobia on LinkedIn and you'll be targetted badly. You'll see the truth. Just try the experiment and if you want to see caste based hatred visit the insta page ofLakhshya L.open the comment section. https://www.instagram.com/lakhshya_speaks/ Whitewashing injustice isn't the right way
Yash PratapPeople also hate women for no reasons sometimes, maybe because she is independent, or she has a love marriage, or she is a divorcee or anything. That doesnt mean Women will claim that they arent inclusive. Hate should never be given the weight. Never. It is nowhere related to inculisivity. Oppurtunities and growth in Urban India, is for anyone and everyone who is capable of it. While the poor are usually looked down, and I agree with that. Anyways, this is my opinion. You have expressed your opinion. We all have freedom of speech. So it all depends on our POVs.
Krupa Bharadwajwhat is the population of poor in India 20% or 90% or 95% , decide which section of society you are talking about? In urban India, upper caste Hindu population is 50% and 80% among middle class while their population in india is only 20%. Discrimination starts with location itself. If tribal population doesn't exists in urban India how will you add them in mainstream without reservation and if it's not important then Why India is created in the first place as democracy.
Krupa Bharadwajwhy are you normalising hate against women, what do you think the reason people do hate against women and getaway with it ? It's simple casteism and communalism which enables the hatred against all women.
Yash PratapI havent normalised women hating. Please reread the context. I just meant Grow up. Evolve. Work towards our goals. Haters are everywhere. Whether you are a man or a woman. And please stop editing your comments, after I have replied to it. Please stand on your words, before rephrasing it again and again.
Yash PratapI don't want to argue. I have said, what I have seen and what I have felt. I hve seen discrimination based on money, gender and status, but never on caste and community, around me. Periods.
Krupa BharadwajI already wrote the reason why you never saw that, if population of muslims and lower caste doesn't exist nearby your home then why would you see discrimination because urban India is dominated by upper caste Hindu, 50% population. Anecdotal Evidence is not the reality.
Yash Prataplol. In the places I have stayed or worked or studied or interned, I have seen every kind of people. Neither me nor people surrounded me have ever treated anyone based on this caste based difference. So I dont want to talk more about this. And i will never support something which I have never seen happening. Let's stop dividing ourselves into castes first. We all are Indians. Let's make India better together. As you said earlier, India is a diverse country!
Krupa Bharadwajlet me tell you some harsh truth people sold you that money will buy freedom, not true. Ask a married women you'll know the truth. Most of the women's money is taken by husband and invested in the place where they don't want. they become their economic slave and outside the caste and communal pressure create an unsafe environment so leaving stuff become difficult and expensive and ultimately a big chunk of women won't be able to bypass that limit. If you bypass that limit, you'll be mostly left alone even by women peers. Talk to older women with honesty. Don't consider them fools. They'll tell you more truth than you can hear. This is systematic exclusion and barriers.
Krupa BharadwajI already wrote "anecdotal evidence" is not the facts or truth. 🥲 Kal ye bhi bol dena ki maine to apne aakho se zebra nhi dekha to nhi hota hoga .. Please..
Yash Pratapyou as usual ate trying to bend facts to suit your false narrative. The facts are simple. There is no widespread caste or religious strife in urban India. People are generally progressive and reward competence. There will always be people who will wear caste and religion on their sleeve and claim discrimination and try to hide the discrimination against their incompetence as a caste based discrimination.
Anviksha SinghI don't think so gurlii, because I hve faced several discrimination and difference, once upon a time, because of my status, and I have seen people around me face that too.
Krupa Bharadwajzebra nhi dekha to zebra hota hi nhi .. iske alawa kuch nhi tumhaare paas logic .. Lakhshy ki profile dekho aur usme dekho kya kya likha hai .. https://www.instagram.com/lakhshya_speaks/ Kuch to apni aakho se dekho ..
Yash PratapExactly. I know many people from tier 1 cities think as if Caste system never ever existed in India. Also they give weirdest reasons to justify this system.
Jai Shreea migrant worker from Bihar doesn't mean labourer only and even if it means labourer then they don't know about cancer either but treatment exists, so denialism isn't the right approach.
Per capita income of Indians is 600 rupees, for one day. Average. One therapy session, on an average, costs 1000 rupees for one hour. So... how is it even possible :(
Yash PratapYep. Got that. 70% of India won't be able to pay the average fees. And even if they do an EMI and pay, the therapist would need some therapy after listening to their real stories. Especially of the marginalized communities
Pratik ShelkeCancer treatment is not also affordable but Government can provides the solutions for poor people also. So, it's not out of reach if they wish.
Yash PratapDo let me know the truly affordable options for the poor of India. I work for the underprivileged, in the social sector, focusing on transforming education and work based learning. Nevertheless This information can be of help to my students.
Inclusion is common in Urban India. Respect for work is given to all and no one really bothers about caste or religion. Those who wear their prejudices on their sleeve and expect special treatment will find it tough. Yahan kabiliyat poochte hain kabila nahin.
There are help lines where one can call and get help for free. However I do wonder how many people of the strata would even think of talking to someone about their problems since they are completely absorbing them then trying to solve them!
Monica Kocharwhen was the last time you see the post from middle class muslim, "Hey I'm not comfortable with Islamophobia". See the problem is malicious intentions of middle class of urban India who can do things but they themselves indulged into religion and caste based hatred. Why 0 posts exists on LinkedIn which says something like that .. I'm muslim and I'm not comfortable I'm from Bihar and I'm not comfortable I'm low caste and I'm not comfortable Why the value is 0 ?
Monica Kocharmaybe you don't have anyone in your friends who belongs to lower caste or muslims or aadivasi or maybe they pretend "everything is okay" infront of you.
Yash Pratapno I don't The area where I live is surrounded by people who are from the difficult strata of life. The guy I buy nariyal Pani from or the guy who repairs my clothes to the lady who cleans my house. So I don't need to hear them say anything for every drop of sweat on their faces every sigh, every time they talk about buying a lot of land in the village and going back every crack in their heel tells me about the life that they are having. You see I don't have to create a viral post on LinkedIn to feel empathetic towards the people who are somewhere left behind. I can also just look at those around me and quietly silently help them as much as I can. Such as helping the son of my maid who is smart enough to clear the armed forces exam. Supporting daughter of the Dhobi to clear her 12th and now her college and she is on her way to become a chemist. So I am moving on from this post and comment, for I have things to do such as buy stuff that is sold by the grassroot people on my streets without bargaining with them and celebrating my Diwali with as much as possible from the people. Good luck!
Monica KocharI have problem with you equating muslim, worker from Bihar and lower caste to some poor person with less access to capital. People with money from marginalized communities don't feel comfortable when they're mocked and discriminated so it's easy to run away because talking about this requires you to question orthodox religion. Learn about constitution, learn about reservation Why it exists in the first place. Stop people from saying bad stuff about marginalized people in your home with your relatives. I don't think it's possible. Your help is similar to planting two trees while driving an old polluting truck daily.
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I'm not that shocked tho. psychology originated in the west and isn't developed enough to deal with specific south asian issues and non western problems. when you bring these topics up, what therapists hear is, "i have a problem you can't solve despite your degree" and while some might want to learn more, im sure it's a hard pill to swallow for most.
and you're right, thanks for bringing this up!
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Write a post against people doing Islamophobia on LinkedIn and you'll be targetted badly. You'll see the truth.
Just try the experiment and if you want to see caste based hatred visit the insta page of Lakhshya L. open the comment section.
https://www.instagram.com/lakhshya_speaks/
Whitewashing injustice isn't the right way
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Hate should never be given the weight. Never. It is nowhere related to inculisivity. Oppurtunities and growth in Urban India, is for anyone and everyone who is capable of it. While the poor are usually looked down, and I agree with that.
Anyways, this is my opinion. You have expressed your opinion. We all have freedom of speech. So it all depends on our POVs.
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In urban India, upper caste Hindu population is 50% and 80% among middle class while their population in india is only 20%.
Discrimination starts with location itself.
If tribal population doesn't exists in urban India how will you add them in mainstream without reservation and if it's not important then Why India is created in the first place as democracy.
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It's simple casteism and communalism which enables the hatred against all women.
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I just meant
Grow up. Evolve. Work towards our goals. Haters are everywhere.
Whether you are a man or a woman.
And please stop editing your comments, after I have replied to it. Please stand on your words, before rephrasing it again and again.
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I hve seen discrimination based on money, gender and status, but never on caste and community, around me. Periods.
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So I dont want to talk more about this. And i will never support something which I have never seen happening.
Let's stop dividing ourselves into castes first. We all are Indians. Let's make India better together. As you said earlier, India is a diverse country!
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This is systematic exclusion and barriers.
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Kal ye bhi bol dena ki maine to apne aakho se zebra nhi dekha to nhi hota hoga .. Please..
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Your logic is same
I don't see zebra so zebra don't exist.
Why do you believe in the concept of merit that much, have you read about the IQ Test and it's limitations?
Here is the link below.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/yashp2411_iq-trauma-of-marks-merit-and-politics-activity-7368011674831810561-NlbO?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android&rcm=ACoAACxrlNsBn9c2b7b2lZ8UK2ckDiW-YTjaB0I
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https://www.instagram.com/lakhshya_speaks/
What will you get by whitewashing?
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https://www.instagram.com/lakhshya_speaks/
Kuch to apni aakho se dekho ..
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okay, since u r insisting me so much, I ll check it out
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One therapy session, on an average, costs 1000 rupees for one hour.
So... how is it even possible :(
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70% of India won't be able to pay the average fees.
And even if they do an EMI and pay, the therapist would need some therapy after listening to their real stories. Especially of the marginalized communities
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I work for the underprivileged, in the social sector, focusing on transforming education and work based learning.
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This information can be of help to my students.
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Government already worked on this issue via radio programmes.
Therapy is most catharcism and if there exists serial and stories which are based on the life of people then it's definitely possible to improve situations ..
Checkout the link below to know more
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/yashp2411_reforms-albertabrbandura-socialabrlearningabrtheory-activity-7366254667837685761--w1o?utm_source=social_share_video_v2&utm_medium=android_app&rcm=ACoAACxrlNsBn9c2b7b2lZ8UK2ckDiW-YTjaB0I&utm_campaign=copy_link
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See the problem is malicious intentions of middle class of urban India who can do things but they themselves indulged into religion and caste based hatred.
Why 0 posts exists on LinkedIn which says something like that ..
I'm muslim and I'm not comfortable
I'm from Bihar and I'm not comfortable
I'm low caste and I'm not comfortable
Why the value is 0 ?
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The area where I live is surrounded by people who are from the difficult strata of life. The guy I buy nariyal Pani from or the guy who repairs my clothes to the lady who cleans my house.
So I don't need to hear them say anything for every drop of sweat on their faces every sigh, every time they talk about buying a lot of land in the village and going back every crack in their heel tells me about the life that they are having.
You see I don't have to create a viral post on LinkedIn to feel empathetic towards the people who are somewhere left behind. I can also just look at those around me and quietly silently help them as much as I can.
Such as helping the son of my maid who is smart enough to clear the armed forces exam. Supporting daughter of the Dhobi to clear her 12th and now her college and she is on her way to become a chemist.
So I am moving on from this post and comment, for I have things to do such as buy stuff that is sold by the grassroot people on my streets without bargaining with them and celebrating my Diwali with as much as possible from the people.
Good luck!
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Learn about constitution, learn about reservation Why it exists in the first place. Stop people from saying bad stuff about marginalized people in your home with your relatives. I don't think it's possible.
Your help is similar to planting two trees while driving an old polluting truck daily.
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